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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: offensive material Reply with quote

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Could somebody please moderate this? This information is completly irrelivant to the topic it is displayed in and is only there to be hurtful and distasteful.

The author has clearly expressed that he will not be changing the text to fit the topic, so some moderation would be very apreciated. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you get so worked up? You don't have to worry about a shard that,
- Doesn't exist "yet"
- Doesn't have any good features, just a list of bad features that it wont have... A hamburger without rotten fish doesn't mean it's a good hamburger.

The post doesn't include any harassment or personal attacks, since its not mentioning anybody. Write your own shard post instead and worry about your players instead of what's going on on other shards.

PS. It was good that you created a new topic instead of replying in the sticky, but if Braiba thinks this thread also gets out of hand, don't create a third one. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT: Due to changes to the topic, the list of offensive immoral acts is preserved here, coughing aside. Here it is:
I wrote:
- Following in the style of Project Phoenix(EXP rate aside).
- All administrators pride themselves in morality rather than having an affair with the quest writer's wife and covering it up with a web of lies.
- Also, we pride ourselves in our literacy. That means we can actually spell correctly and do not rely on constant chatspeak.
- We intend to correctly introduce area of effect spells without overpowering the Wizard Class Branch; something we believe many servers have failed to do.
- All sprites are legal and not ripped.
- Adminsitrators will not spam your e-mail address for an entire year because they are suspicious of your platonic relationship with their spouse.
- Adminsitrators will not put pornographic material in their avatars.
- Developers will not force players to agree to homosexual affection towards a specific developer in the EULA. (End-User License Agreement)
- NPC Chat Manuscript writers will not give sexually suggestive names to NPCs or write sexual poems about them.
- Creature Editors will not create phallical centipedes that yell out sexual inuendo until they symbolically drop potions.
- Adminsitrators enjoy flaunting the immorality of others.


First of all, I would like to apologize to Jeb for inadvertedly stirring up anger and to anyone who misinterpreted what I wrote. I did not meant to anger anyone. If I wanted to do that, I would have exposed the identities and specific details behind those actions. Also, I never even said that anyone performed those actions. Infact, I said the opposite: I said which people didn't perform those actions.

So it's not like I'm saying, "Trance has no morality because he wrote NPC sex poems and made phallical creatures". I'm just saying, "This development team does not write sexual plotlines about their NPCs or make sexually symbolic monsters".

It's no different than saying, "we do not release overpowered area of effect spells" rather than saying "Zircon can't balance his spells". I avoided targetting people. I targetted issues. If you think it is offensive material, than I think you should take a look at the issues. Players find gratuitous and immoral issues to be far more offensive than someone being slightly self-righteous. I think you should rethink what is and isn't offensive here.

Also, why are you offended by the mention of issues that do not even concern you? You circled many things that aren't even referring to your own incident(s).

I'm not here to troll. This is not a purposefully hurtful or purposefully distasteful display. If I wanted to do that, I'd flaunt the astonishing details themselves rather than trivial generic acts. I won't even do that in private messages, so don't bother. However, if people ask me why you fired me... I'm allowed to explain every discrediting detail as I please, and the sad fact is that none of it is exaggerated or fiction. But I also choose not to do that in open public forums, and I choose to protect the privacy of the others involved.

Freedom of speech on the AE community was your excuse for the inappropriateness displayed by admins. But the moment someone criticizes that inappropriateness it becomes worthy of being censored. How ironic. You don't bother to censor or deal with an adminsitrator that talks about a player's mother in a highly offensive sexual manner, yet the moment something factual directed at an administrator rather than a player. Your morality mystifies me, Apocalypse. I've seen quite a few players quit your server under the reason of "he's a corrupt meanie". Luckily, the typical gamer doesn't give a piece of demondung about ethics so long as they aren't a victim of corruptness.

There, see that above? I scrutinized a real issue, hypocrasy, and targetted a real person, you. That's quite different than what I did in my post. However you should not be the one offended here, since you are the one offending other people! If you get offended by people constructively pointing out your mistakes then don't leave room for criticism. If I were here to offend you I would write something more like,

Quote:
OMG I HATE U APOCALYPSE, U ARE TEH CORRUPTZORZ!!!1one!!11
U HAFF TEH CRAP A** DEV TEAM WITH TEH UNBALANCED SH**!!!1one OMG WTF LOL?/?????//
LEARN SOME MORALS U STUPID B****RD!!1


But no, I didn't come in here throwing around insults and offensive messages at anyone in particular. And I know, you can't say the same for yourself in a similar situation. But if you care to tell me how what I wrote was offensive towards you, be my guest. Was it the mere implication that some of the other shards are immoral towards players? Was it the obnoxious "cough"? I'm sorry, but that's unavoidable.

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Fledge says:
What's wrong with my post?
Fledge says:
I would like you to explain how it is at all offensive.
Apocalypse says:
its a joke to the forums. Khaile asked us to post server info for informative purposes, not to make a mockery of the forums by acting like a prick
Fledge says:
Khaile approved the post long ago, as I had asked him to give it a look over.
Apocalypse says:
I dont care if its aproved, you shouldnt have writtten it there
Fledge says:
It's no more offensive to the community than the issues it targets.
Fledge says:
Besides, lots of people think it's funny.
Apocalypse says:
your not listening. I dont care that you said it. I care where you said it
Fledge says:
Then take it up with Khaile.
Apocalypse says:
it makes your shard look like a joke
Fledge says:
If you think Khaile should amend the list rules, then so be it.
Fledge says:
And whose problem is that? Not yours.
Fledge says:
Sorry, I realize my rhetorical questions are a tad patronizing.
Apocalypse says:
the sticky wasnt created for that purpose
Fledge says:
If what you didn't liek about it was simply the medium it occured in, why did you deem the material offensive rather than the medium?
Fledge says:
And why circle the material?
Fledge says:
If anyone posted out of place material it is you: You should NOT post information that changes often, such as how many players or items there are you your server, we know you have added lots!
Fledge says:
You posted info about item bundle size and such.
Fledge says:
What I posted, according to the view of Khaile, fits under "In addition, you may post "advertisements" why people should play on your server, such as "This server has really cool spells!"."
Apocalypse says:
I am not going to talk to you if your just going to be an arse. what you did was wrong and you know it
Fledge says:
I'm not the one throwing insults around like 'arse'.
Fledge says:
What I did was perfectly okay according to the rules.
Fledge says:
If you want the rules changed, and as a result my post changed, ask Khaile.


I'm giving up talking this through, you deem everything I say to be offensive and can't seem to settle on whether the message is offensive or the medium. Then you decide to throw around an insult just to complement that hypocrasy. Time to let Jeb deal with this complaint as he sees fit, since Apocalypse is incapable of demonstrating any forum rules or topic rules that I apparently crossed. If Jeb wants me to edit my post when this is all done with, he can tell me and I will get to it as soon as possible.

Also, I have a complaint of my own. Please change any quantitative bundle descriptors in Apocalypse's post since that disobeys an actual rule.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeb wrote:
Why do you get so worked up? You don't have to worry about a shard that,
- Doesn't exist "yet"
- Doesn't have any good features, just a list of bad features that it wont have... A hamburger without rotten fish doesn't mean it's a good hamburger.

The post doesn't include any harassment or personal attacks, since its not mentioning anybody. Write your own shard post instead and worry about your players instead of what's going on on other shards.

PS. It was good that you created a new topic instead of replying in the sticky, but if Braiba thinks this thread also gets out of hand, don't create a third one. Confused


so... technically here it's okay so say that i know this guy here on this forum that is a realy lonly person and probobly never got laid coz the girl had to be deaf and blind to like him ( coffs )
and this guy he wines even more then an xgf iwe cheated on ( coffs )
and she still calls me wanting my atention and want to hear what's up and all that stuff, yeh it sounds like this person ( coffs )
and also this person he seems not to have bether things to do then to basicly try to piss off every shard out there but what he wont realise is that ppl dont know if they suld feal sorry for the little boy or just hope he will grow up. ( coffs )
also this persons staff mates must surly not know who he is ( i mean some of them did not want to be listed by names ) ummm... i'm still not mentioning any names... ( coffs )
oh may i add that this person acts like he got sand in his v-gu-na ( yeh southpark gotta luv em ) and i'm still not mentioning any names here Cool

now everyone suld we dedicate this thread to personal flaming without mentioning any names coz as jeb says aslong as u dont mention the name of the person ur talking about it's not realy offencive or an insult or personal jumps.
even doh 90% of the ppl on this forum know who i whas talking about up there i did not mention his name so technicaly i did not offend him even doh most of the ppl are gonna go "lol" and some "eeew" and others "omg!"

well have fun! ( coffs ) ( coffs again )
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you've got it wrong TbbW. He said my post does not contain harassment or personal attacks. However, yours does. You are fabricating baseless perverted nonesense while what I had written was unslanted fact. There's a big difference, and that's what separates their appropriateness and how offensive it is. I'm not spreading lies, where as you are. Also, mine is actually comparing morality of shards where as yours is a list of insults. Jeb deemed my message unoffensive because it let people make their own judgements based on the facts listed, not because I refused to target anyone in particular.

There is a big difference between listing facts and listing insults. You could get away with stuff like:

- Developers do not whine and complain about every little thing on the Oxeye forums
- Developers do not act self righteously
- Developers cough a lot for no reason
- Developers like to be highly sexual for fun

But the moment you turn it into insulting flames trying to stir up anger or make someone look hypocritical, I think you've crossed the line. There is a difference between trolling with insults and criticizing. I think you need to understand that.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hear Hear!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fledge wrote:
No, you've got it wrong TbbW. He said my post does not contain harassment or personal attacks. However, yours does. You are fabricating baseless perverted nonesense while what I had written was unslanted fact. There's a big difference, and that's what separates their appropriateness and how offensive it is. I'm not spreading lies, where as you are. Also, mine is actually comparing morality of shards where as yours is a list of insults. Jeb deemed my message unoffensive because it let people make their own judgements based on the facts listed, not because I refused to target anyone in particular.

There is a big difference between listing facts and listing insults. You could get away with stuff like:

- Developers do not whine and complain about every little thing on the Oxeye forums
- Developers do not act self righteously
- Developers cough a lot for no reason
- Developers like to be highly sexual for fun

But the moment you turn it into insulting flames trying to stir up anger or make someone look hypocritical, I think you've crossed the line. There is a difference between trolling with insults and criticizing. I think you need to understand that.


lol fledge u think u got the right to insult other ppl to the right and left but when someone nibble back ur quiet amusing, well gl and have prewn Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did I insult anyone on these forums, hmm? Exposing immoral acts is not an insult. They discredited themselves by commiting such acts and I did not expose it in an insulting fashion. Perhaps if you read these posts with your old prejudices aside, you'd notice.

Also, changing my post had nothing to do with these complaints.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fledge wrote:
Where did I insult anyone on these forums, hmm? Exposing immoral acts is not an insult. They discredited themselves by commiting such acts and I did not expose it in an insulting fashion. Perhaps if you read these posts with your old prejudices aside, you'd notice.

Also, changing my post had nothing to do with these complaints.


heh i know it had nothing to do with the complaints Wink
ur a glowboy... u changed it for the fame and nothing else.
and i just wrote those things up there about a "someone" if u got affended by it it's not my prob coz i never mentioned ur name just things i dont like about "someone" or "some ppl" Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can all understand the not-so-subtle implications. Inferred insults, no matter how obscure they are, don't mean you didn't throw an insult at the person. We're not four year olds, I hope. Thus, none of us are oblivious enough to not know who you were referring to.

And there you go, insulting me with 'glowboy'. Making baseless assumptions about my actions and ageist assumptions about my age. Changing it to say that the project has the source code was not done for fame. I did it because the group asked me to. If fame comes along with trying to improve Akarra, then so be it. However, it is not something I seek from this. Besides, why would I even get all the fame?

I am not the one that purchased it, I am not the one with the programming talents and I am certainly not even going to see it. It makes the project more famous, yes. But, it certainly doesn't make me in particular any more famous. I am simply a humble developer that was not even part of getting the source. I'm not putting myself in the spotlight - I don't deserve any such attention.

What I find particularly funny about this conversation is that the administration refuses to delete your posts because they make you look too stupid for any of your messages to be harmful to anyone but yourself and because the forum is too quiet. Since it is so quiet, there isn't enough good stuff posted for Braiba to consider your post 'garbage'. Now shoot the messenger, like always.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fledge wrote:
We can all understand the not-so-subtle implications. Inferred insults, no matter how obscure they are, don't mean you didn't throw an insult at the person. We're not four year olds, I hope. Thus, none of us are oblivious enough to not know who you were referring to.

oh so the trash u threw on basicly all akarra shards in sucha stylish mater is not an act of an 4yr old ? hmmm maby it whas an "1" infront of that "4" Razz
anyway i kinda enjoy the convo coz what ever responebilitys u seem to not want to take for what you write there by twisting and turning on it to make it sound good in you'r mind it's not gonna work u know, most ppl here know u like the drama and frankly atm so do i.

Fledge wrote:
And there you go, insulting me with 'glowboy'. Making baseless assumptions about my actions and ageist assumptions about my age. Changing it to say that the project has the source code was not done for fame. I did it because the group asked me to. If fame comes along with trying to improve Akarra, then so be it. However, it is not something I seek from this. Besides, why would I even get all the fame?

it's not baseless common get real are u ashamed i'm taking this convo with u in public ? and dude there is no faim in been the person that like's to insult ppl and then go like "no i did not insult anyone personaly" and then denay everything.
and atm ur using the source as one of ur tools to direct the atention somewhere else, sry dude i'm not blind lol

Fledge wrote:
I am not the one that purchased it, I am not the one with the programming talents and I am certainly not even going to see it. It makes the project more famous, yes. But, it certainly doesn't make me in particular any more famous. I am simply a humble developer that was not even part of getting the source. I'm not putting myself in the spotlight - I don't deserve any such attention.

dude... ur the right person to make something infamus... i mean u reputation even exeeds mine in a way... ur that admin that thinks its alright to trashtalk/step on ppl but when someone even writes an obcene word or makes a perverted joke ur gonna tare down the place to get even ( another shard *hint* *hint* ).
i mean fledge common... ur like donnald duck in a way Very Happy

Fledge wrote:
What I find particularly funny about this conversation is that the administration refuses to delete your posts because they make you look too stupid for any of your messages to be harmful to anyone but yourself and because the forum is too quiet. Since it is so quiet, there isn't enough good stuff posted for Braiba to consider your post 'garbage'. Now shoot the messenger, like always.

dude i dont care if u try to make me look stupid, u can call me perverted and also apply that i made homosexual statements towards you in the uela but you know it wuld be even worse if some poor girl got offended by that coz then it's SEXUAL HARASMENTS Twisted Evil
so i feal so sorry about ur homofobia and cant take a joke from my side and instead see it as me violating my personal parts and also stating homosexual statements, keep amuse me boy!
and i dont shoot ppl but i can gladly put u ower my lap and give u some spanking if ur into S&M Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to write long posts, would you please check them over first. I have to read all this stuff to see if it needs moderating and that was just painful.

If you're using Firefox, then the the google toolbar extension has a great spell checker that highlights the words you've misspelt and suggests corrections (like in MS Word).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He wants the precious. Always he is looking for it. And the precious is wanting to go back to him... But we mustn't let googlebar have it.
But, the fat hobbit. He knows. Eyes always watching.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I don't get it how come this argument continued for so long?
I mean, this was suposed to be a complaint to Jeb by Apoc.
Apoc was turned down and that should have ended the whole soap opera.
So how about we stop the ragging, because it makes everyone look foolish.

P.S. Don't piss Braiba off.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slayermagic wrote:
What I don't get it how come this argument continued for so long?
I mean, this was suposed to be a complaint to Jeb by Apoc.
Apoc was turned down and that should have ended the whole soap opera.
So how about we stop the ragging, because it makes everyone look foolish.

P.S. Don't piss Braiba off.


braiba as i know him is a solid person and can see the joke ( even if it's a bad one ) in it all Smile
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